It is just fun to listen those modest educated experts, so i want to recommend listening to this podcast from Dr. Bret Weinstein & Dr. Chris Martenson.
I extracted the audio and cropped some minutes with technical problems at the beginning of conversation.
Download it over IPFS: (OGG 66,6 MB 02h 8min)
https://bafybeibu7bcxz44r4oswkzjk2jmxlicm3qruviaio42qng4qvudrk7d63m.ipfs.dweb.link/