So it's got this great kind of gothic frame, but it's like you can interview Socrates or Einstein, and they're arranged in different series, the scientists and explorers and just feels very exciting,g and it. It's done in an interview format. Yeah, thank and. It's very close. It's a very tgood program Morere fun than our issues, and Catherine, something for the grown-ups. So this is one of my favourite books.

It's called Uin In the Old Hotel by Joseph Mitchell, and it's essentially a group biography of the people of New York. He went around interviewing people after the Second World War, and you get a man who spent 30 years campaigning to outlaw swearing and cooking g.Doing green turtles in the street, men waltzing in their aprons, the mechanics of con artists.
It is a truly spectacular collection of human life. So it gives you a a, a panorama of New York at the time. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. And Frank, for the great UPS .Ime an, one of the reasons we're talking about grown-ups is that we get a lot of messages about people worrying that their children aren't reading.
And I just want to say that you can't teach pleasure, you can only share it. So we're looking for books that are hugely enjoyable for grown-ups to read, so that you can read in front of your children. And I've gone for picking up on my beat of the Clay theme. Yeah, I've gone for, I don't know, Fitzsimmons's biography of Edison Espirit. No one has written more beautifully or charmingly about the family than Edith Nesbitt, the author of The Railway Children. And no one has had a dark, more twisted, more anxious-looking family life. She married a guy called Hubert Bland, who is the founder of the Fagan Society, who is very.
Serial philanderer. She would adopt his illegitimate children. She would employ his mistresses. HD Wells, who was no Mother Teresa, found their household. I'm gonna say this word and you don't send a chill down your spine, She he said. It was intricate.
Yes, yes, OK. And you've got another one as well, I think for for the grown-ups. Yeah.