Xiomara Reyes Kyle i totally agree with once again those verses have nothing to with me not eating meat, careful with taking verses out of there context
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold I never said that these verses are directly connected to what you are eating because it has to do with deeper issues that affect what we do, say, think.
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle in any ways i dont see how these verses woulld make me wanna eat meat again or tell me hmm maybe you should eat meat again xio
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold I warn you of things that you may or may not be doing. Things that may someday happen. Or things that other people may or may not start doing as a result from your own actions. It is the butterfly effect, the domino effect, the snowball effect. One thing can affect another thing. Everything is connected. You have to connect the dots and just be wise about things.
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle it seems like you are trying to convince me that i should eat meat, your words have gone farther than questioning my motives, your words say i think that you should eat and let me try to convince you bu throwin verses and liks to show you that im right
4 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle you go girl...
4 hours ago ·
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Xiomara Reyes Kyle many ppl bring the bible out to me and all me that the bible doesnt say to not eat meat, the bible always also doesnt say that you HAVE to eat meat. it just comes down to that God cares about my heart not my earthly actions, my slavation is the most important thing, my relationship to God is the most important thing, eating meat does not put a barrier between me and God i myself can put barriers by not seeking him but being vegetarian has no effcet on our relationship.
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle many ppl bring the bible out to me and all me that the bible doesnt say to not eat meat, the bible always also doesnt say that you HAVE to eat meat. it just comes down to that God cares about my heart not my earthly actions, my slavation is the most important thing, my relationship to God is the most important thing, eating meat does not put a barrier between me and God i myself can put barriers by not seeking him but being vegetarian has no effcet on our relationship.
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle many ppl bring the bible out to me and all me that the bible doesnt say to not eat meat, the bible always also doesnt say that you HAVE to eat meat. it just comes down to that God cares about my heart not my earthly actions, my slavation is the most important thing, my relationship to God is the most important thing, eating meat does not put a barrier between me and God i myself can put barriers by not seeking him but being vegetarian has no effcet on our relationship.
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle many ppl bring the bible out to me and all me that the bible doesnt say to not eat meat, the bible always also doesnt say that you HAVE to eat meat. it just comes down to that God cares about my heart not my earthly actions, my slavation is the most important thing, my relationship to God is the most important thing, eating meat does not put a barrier between me and God i myself can put barriers by not seeking him but being vegetarian has no effcet on our relationship.
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold The verses are not there to support one exact thing. The verses are to address the deeper issues. I have mixed feelings about whether or not I should even eat meat sometimes. I get scared thinking about because sometimes I go without eating and sometimes I eat it. But you are missing the point of my verses. You should realize that if you are in God's will then you would be fine with the verses I gave you. There were a bunch of verses I could have gave you. But if you are doing the right things in the right ways for the right reasons for Jesus then those verses and the whole Bible agrees fully with your fasting protest of meat.

I have never said that a fasting protest against meat is evil. I already told you about the Old Testament. Israel didn't eat certain kinds of meat. I told you about Daniel and his friends. Adam and Eve probably didn't eat meat at first. Not eating meat can be healthier and better.

The verses are not to take my side.
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold ‎@ Dave Kyle, you think I am wrong?
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold Do you believe in eternal security? Because I do.
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold ‎Raquel Onsurez is vegetarian, too!
4 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle I think if you are going to have a conviction - do it. quit trying to justify it. it isnt sinful, it isnt harmful, and there isnt even a shred of disobedience attached to it. what it is , is a believer, xio, excersicing her moral judgement and making a stand against the abuse of Gods creation. just because i eat meat does not mean that xio should. because she doesnt does not mean I should. she is true to her moral code, her convictions, and her God. we need to let her have at it, and support her in it. not every choice made by man is a salvation issue, some choices simply reflect the society that we live in, and have no other meaning.
4 hours ago ·
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Joey Arnold Do you believe in absolute truth? Or is truth relative and different per person?
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold What can I do to lose my salvation?
4 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle absolute truth is just what it says. eating or not eating meat, unless the choice is one of faith, is not going to affect salvation one iota. no more than eating brocoli is good and cauliflower is bad. eating meat is simply a food cjhoice - unless you believe that it is sinful, then you had best not eat it. but since that is not xio, it does not apply
4 hours ago ·
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Joey Arnold Eating or not eating meat may or may not affect salvation but can it affect something else at all ever?
4 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold Either you believe in absolute truth or you do not. You seem to believe that some things are a matter of absolute truth of eternal principles that are universal and unchangeable.

But you counterdict your belief by mentioning the variables of faith. Faith is not meant to be a toy. Faith is suppose to be directly connected to absolute truth. But how can it be absolute if it is different for each person? What if my conviction and faith lead to me to kill people? Then you would tell me that I was wrong. Which means that conviction and faith has to be connected to absolute truth.

If I were to believe in relativism then my faith can be anything. So, to say that things are a matter of faith is to not say much unless if it directly connected to unchanging truth.
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle not*
4 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle then it is none of your concern and you should worry bout it or question it period
4 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle there are consequences for all actions that humanity takes. in this particular case, eating or not eating meat, leaving out those choices made in faith, the only repercussion is that Xio has a healthier colon than I do, but I get to eat the Florentine steak at Macaroni Grill. YWHW's design is such that a human being can eat a no meat diet with no ill effects. our adaptability is such that we can sdjust to many different operating parameters with no loss of efficiency or health. if xio has decided to not eat meat, and she has pointedly said that she hasn't, becasue of a faith decision, then eating meat would cause her to sin. that is if she felt that obeying God meant not eating meat, then to eat meat would violate that faith. that is the only circumstance that would realisticcally affect anything to a degree worthy of attention. but again, this is Xios moral choice based on her reaction to the sin in the world. the reasoning behind it is the same reasoning that instituted the salvation army - "do something"
4 hours ago ·
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Joey Arnold Your references of Romans 14 reminds me of a bunch of mixed feelings that I have. Which causes me to question what you are saying about it to some extent or something like that.

Romans 14:2 says One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

Meat was also offered up to idols. So you would need faith to eat the meat by trusting that God is not going to curse you for eating idolatry meat. Meat can be healthy if you eat a small portion of it. But I confuse to eat pork and some of the not so good meat.

I usually hate eating meat for many reasons.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+14&version=NIV
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14 - New International Version
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The Weak and the Strong - Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling...See More
3 hours ago ·
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Joey Arnold I am not against vegetarians. I was only trying to say that meat is not always a bad thing. Meat is usually a bad thing for many reason and that is why God gave you that conviction.
3 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold I believe eating pork is probably sin usually.
3 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle if you beleive that pork is against Gods wishes then you should refrain from eating it, since at that point it is a sin. however, you need to observe that portion of romans that tells us those faith decisions are to be between you and God. only
3 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold ‎@ Dave Kyle, I believe that your hermeneutics of Romans 14 is hugely flawed in that logic because you just described the concept of relativism which is fundamentally incongruent to the fabrics of absolute truth. Because Romans 14 is not just talking about preference, like a choice between a flavor of ice-cream because it is in the context and connection to meat offered up to idols which makes it a specific situation for a specific case and concept.
3 hours ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle I don't agree that because I don't eat meat my faith is weak..my faith is pretty strong..I know where and on who I put my faith in
2 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold Your faith probably is strong. I never said I thought your faith is weak. I only quoted Romans 14:2 that says some people have weak faith because they think that eating idolatry meat is going to send them to Hell. Paul wrote that we should not eat meat when we are around those people because we want to be a little nice and sensitive and understanding of them regardless of their weakness. It is called grace towards them.

Romans 14 deals with a specific case.
2 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold This conversation is not just about you.
2 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle Uh...no.try expanding your reading a little. But nice try throwing all those fancy words at it.
2 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold Are you saying it is not about idolatry meat?
2 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold Dave, please don't make fun of me.
2 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold http://www.icgarea4.com/articles.php?a=30
Difficult Scriptures - Romans 14:1-6
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Read regularly posted articles about various subjects in world events
2 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle It has m
2 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold You are taking a passage and you are trying to apply it to a more current situation. The process of application is a tough one. Just be careful when doing it.
2 hours ago ·
Dave Kyle It has nothing to do with making fun of you. Being legalistic you are spending too much time on inconsequential garbage. Paul tells us in romans that matters of eating and faith are between you and God. If you in faith think you shpuldnt eat something, then by all means dont. But that is a discussion between you and God. If it isnt a matter of faith, then you are being devisive and you need to give it up. You arguments are based on an inaccurate interpretation of scripture, and as you are questioning the moral stance of another believer, you are just being mean. Give it up. There is no idolatry meat involved in this discusion. There is no reason to devalue another believer over a moot point. And before you say it, yes you are.
about an hour ago ·
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Joey Arnold You are wrong. Many pastors preach that this is what the passage means. You may have just heard this from somebody else. Who told you what to believe about this Romans 14 chapter? Or did you choose to believe this after reading this in your own personal SOAPs or quiet time bible study?
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Dave, you have to look at what Paul was really talking about. You have to dig deeper. There is such a thing as idolatry meat. Have you not heard of it? Do you not know history? Do I have to get out some history books and show you what Paul was referencing? You are being mean because you think that faith can be anything.

You are trying to sing a song about faith.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Who is devaluing who? You devalued me.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Faith is developed between you and God. However, faith is also evident through works. Just read the book of James on that. Faith produces works, actions. Faith produces a relationship between you and God, but only if it is genuine and only if it is rooted and directly connected with God's Word, God's wisdom, God's principles to how we are to live and everything.
about an hour ago ·
Dave Kyle I read and make up my own mind. Focus now. The meat in 14 is not in any way shape or form connected with not eating meat in the 21st century. I eat all meat. Not everyone says that. Read the rest of romans and you will see that your discusion with us is inappropriate. It is rightly between you and God. Your faith issue is something you should talk with your pastor about, not going to the internet.
about an hour ago ·
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Joey Arnold Faith is not simply just a matter between you and God because the result of a mature Christian is that of a public matter because the mature Christian will produce good works. Meaning that it becomes something we can all see. Faith is the mustard seed and the works that it produces is a giant tree.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold I have read the book of Romans many times.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold I have been in bible studies for months on just Romans.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold You are misunderstanding what I know about the Bible.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Faith starts with confessing that you not only sin, but that you are a sinner in need of salvation. You confess, you believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay a debt we cannot pay, that He was buried, & rose again on the third day to seal the deal. You confess, you believe, and then you ask Jesus to save you so that you can follow Him, to be like Him, to be conformed into His image, likeness.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold You discredit the internet.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold You seem to discredit the need and concept and the process of the act of application.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Why can't you read history?
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold I mean, there are history books out there.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Why am I deemed inaccurate for knowing history?
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Your desire to separate my words concerning Romans 14 and the implied conversation here is one that makes me really worried. First of all, did you call me a legalist?
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold The connection between the first century and this 21st century can only occur through application. That is the whole point. You seem to have switch several things around. What you say about how faith is a thing between just you and God and that is something I hear a lot even in the circles of The Salvation Army USA and it is one that I am against to some extent for the implications or dangers around such definitions or methodology.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold You are so racist, stereotypical, closed-minded.
about an hour ago ·
Dave Kyle does this mean you are going to shut up?
about an hour ago ·
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Joey Arnold It means that you need to listen.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold It means you need to think about it.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold You are against my words about idol meat because somebody brain washed you to think otherwise.
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold I feel convicted to talk here from God. That is my faith between me and God. If I were to shut up I would have to compromise and I would have to go against my own convictions, my own faith between me and God that is urging me to share truth with others. Are you asking me to go against my own convictions?
about an hour ago ·
Joey Arnold Don't water down Romans 14.
58 minutes ago ·
Dave Kyle dude, you are an embarrasment. your whole fascination with inconsequential things is precisely the reason people laugh when you witness. it is the reason people dont like christians - because people like you obsess about things that really dont matter, the concept of idol meat is fine - but no one practices it. track with me here - NO ONE. it is a dead issue. if you want to conversate about what Christ has done with the new covenant fine. but there is a reason that it is the new covenant - track with me here THE OLD ONE IS DEAD. it is in the book, read the whoile thing, dont just picjk the parts that you can use to browbeat people with. i get so tired of having to apologise to non believers because of people like you. grow up, shut up and read the whole book. talk to me when you can do something other than resurrect rules that - track with me here - ARENT HELPFUL. remember the part of being edifying the body? THIS ISNT IT> you whole point - IT ISNT IT. there is no idol meat, we stopped that years ago/. about the same time we stopped child sacrifice. critical thinking genius - you should try it, instead of running your mouth.
50 minutes ago ·
Dave Kyle peace out
50 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold When do I witness?
49 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold How do you know if I witness?
49 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You are making fun of me.
49 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You are making unfair assumptions.
49 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I never said that idol meat is an issue for today.
48 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I was saying that Paul was talking about idol meat, which means that there is more to Romans 14 than just us and our faith.
48 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I am not making an argument for or against the new or old covenant, exactly, because that is not the point of what I was trying to say, so you seem to not get what I am trying to say then.
47 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You are missing the point and you are not taking the time required to hear my side of the story. The Bible says to be quick to listen and slow to speak and you seem to not hear me out.
46 minutes ago ·
Dave Kyle you are crazier than a craphouse mouse. if you are talking about your walk with the Lord - you are witnessing. it isnt romans 14 you need to worry about romans 20 and romans 12. leave 14 alone. the concept applies to today yes - but not in the manner in which you are tyring to use it. for eating meat - it doesnt apply. ever. and BTW i am the rascist, stereotypical, close minded one, and i can figure this stuff out. maybe you should try it.
44 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold How many times do I have to say that I never said that idol meat still exist. I mentioned it so that you could remember the context better because you seem to want to skip to your sermon about faith before fully digesting the original intent of the passage as it was written to a certain audience back then.
44 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Not just talking about meat.
42 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold What do you think I am trying to do with Romans 14 and the topic of meat? I don't get it.
41 minutes ago ·
Dave Kyle last time. romans 14 does not apply to this. ever. you cannot use irrelavent passages to support whatever wierd theory you have about eating meat. it does not apply. not now, not tomorrow, not ever. if you want to support your argument use another scripture. and BTW, the whole discusio is about eating. track with me here - THAT IS WHAT WE WRE TALKING ABOUT.
41 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold When I used the words racist and stereotypical and closed minded, you seem to miss what I was trying to say. You are jumping to the conclusion that my words are just fighting words that I am just mad and upset and that I hate people or something. You cannot take my words too personally like that. You have to look at what I am trying to say with the words I use.
40 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You seem to miss the point of the Old Testament too.
39 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Do I have to say again that I am not against vegetarians?
39 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You guys seem to still think that I am against people who don't eat meat and I am not.
38 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold My argument is about a much deeper issue.
38 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Can you read my words?
37 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I am not trying to support something.
37 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I am not just exactly for or against meat.
37 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Dave Kyle, you cannot cut up the Bible and say that certain things cannot help you in your walk with God.
36 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold What is my crazy theory?
36 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I speak of no weird theory.
36 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I only mentioned several different facts.
35 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Vegetables are good for you.
35 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Farther more, most Americans eat too much wheat in their diet. That is not in the Bible exactly but it is just a simple fact that too much of something is usually bad.
34 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I strongly believe that Xiomara Reyes Kyle can be a crucial role-model on several different levels, in her stand against animal cruelty, and in taking care of her body, in living life to the fullest because she is taking care of it.
33 minutes ago ·
Xiomara Reyes Kyle I agree with dave..you are acting and speaking as legalist..many times you have used the bible verses out of context..one min ur on one side the next ur on another side..you can keep commenting all you want. But I don't take or bother to even recognize ur knowledge about the bible because I think you have misenterpreted it.. ask God for the correct dissernment sometimes its ok to be wrong you don't always have to be right..you have tried so hard to be the winning man..that you have now made yourself look dumb and ur words have no credit to me..thank u but no thank u for your input this was all a big waste of all of our time..GOODBYE
33 minutes ago ·
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Xiomara Reyes Kyle GOd bless
32 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold This has nothing to do with legalism.
32 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You miss the reason why I quote different verses and you assume that it is out of context but it is not that simple.
31 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I do not understand what I have said that could be so bad.
31 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Proverbs 3:5-6 talks about trusting God.
30 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold How is that out of context?
30 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You even agree with me about that.
30 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold When I mentioned Proverbs 3:5-6, about trusting God, you cannot just think that I am using that to say that people have to eat meat. I never said that anybody have to eat meat.
29 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold The reason why you do not like my interpretation of the Bible is because I go against the curve and the theology of The Salvation Army USA and I am more Baptist than you.
28 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I mentioned that God told Israel not to eat certain meat. That is in the Bible. You cannot be against that. God was telling them not to eat some meat. I am not using that to say that we are not to eat meat just because of that.
27 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I mentioned that Daniel and his men didn't eat meat and they became healthier than the people who ate meat. How can you be against that?
26 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I mentioned Romans 14 and it says that the weaker brother will not eat meat because the meat was being offered up to idols. That is the context.
25 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You can take Romans 14 and try to apply it to modern issues if you would like and these modern issues will probably be unrelated to the idol meat issue.
24 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold But I do not understand how you are against my words?
24 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I come here and I give you some credit and after saying that I support your stand against animal cruelty, you still choose to disagree with the fact that I fully agree with what you are doing, and you agree with what you are doing but you do not agree with my support and approval of what you are doing.
23 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I don't get that.
22 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold It frustrates me.
22 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I only said that meat has vitamins.
21 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold That is it.
21 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold The verses I mention has nothing to do with trying to legalize forced consuming of meat.
21 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I went to three years of Bible College.
20 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold The Pharisees believed in legalism to some extent.
20 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Do you even know what legalism is?
20 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Romans 6 talks about grace. It says, "Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid."
19 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Early on I said God made meat.
18 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Why am I looking dumb?
18 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I am asking questions.
18 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold I am trying to understand these things better.
17 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold Legalists believe that you can lose your salvation.
17 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold ‎The Salvation Army USA believes that people can lose their salvation. That makes them legalists. Because it mocks grace. For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourself for it is a gift from and of God. Ephesians 2:7-10. Specifically Ephesians 2:8-9.
15 minutes ago ·
Joey Arnold You seem to misunderstand sin too.
15 minutes ago ·

http://ojawall.blogspot.com/2011/11/idol-meat.html
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Joey Arnold Sin is not just the violation of known laws, of the ten commandments, or the golden rule, or whatever laws that we are to follow, because the law (as explained in Romans) is meant to be a mirror so that we can see that we sin, that we are sinners, that we have dirt on our face, which means that the issue is much deeper.
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Sin is not just the violation of known laws, of the ten commandments, or the golden rule, or whatever laws that we are to follow, because the law (as explained in Romans) is meant to be a mirror so that we can see that we sin, that we are sinners, that we have dirt on our face, which means that the issue is much deeper.
Unable to post comment. Try Again because Xiomara Reyes Kyle blocked you for standing up for what you believe in which is what she believes in to some extent. What a sad day. Joey Arnold or Joey Arnold tried complimenting this girl and he gets blocked and slammed in the face for speaking his mind. That is not fair.
http://ojawall.blogspot.com/2011/11/idol-meat.html

I do not understand why these things happen.
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