Plugged In

2011-10-13 - Thursday - 05:17 PM - 14th of October of 2011

My laptop is plugged into a power strip. The TV is plugged in there, too. But the TV doesn't shut off randomly. But my laptop still randomly shuts off every hour or more.

The laptop turns off and restarts itself, while it is plugged in.

Jenni Replied

By shutting off, do you mean an actual reboot/shutdown, where it closes all your programs logs you out then turns off the power, or do you mean it just stops - screen goes blank, lights go out, no warning or shut-down sequence at all?

If the latter then it's probably your laptops power source, it might not be the power strip it's plugged into but something on the laptops side of things, or the power cord, or the AC adapter.

Power Setting

Perhaps check the power settings in Ubuntu? I remember it had settings for power saving after a certain amount of time.

gqdabien added

Perhaps check the power settings in Ubuntu? I remember it had settings for power saving after a certain amount of time.

theNbomr wrote

Some laptops (Toshiba, especially) don't properly control the fan(s) under Linux, and this can lead to spontaneous shutdown due to overheating.
--- rod.

corp769 added

I was thinking the same thing. You can install lm-sensors, and run "sensors" to have a good visual on your temperatures.

Turns Off Quickly

It turns totally off in about two seconds or less. So it's not a proper reboot. It does reboot.

So it might be a laptop or power cord problem, like you are saying.

But I did set the power preferences on to stay on, both for when it is running off the battery and when it is plugged in. And I keep my laptop plugged in.

Are there Ubuntu PC-temperature-programs I could get ?

thezerodragon commented

lm_sensors worked for me, but I am using Fedora. tell us if

Then I did this

The output said I couldn't fully install it: or that it won't work yet:

o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools restart
Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
utility, e.g. service module-init-tools restart

It says to use service module-init-tools restart: but how do I do that ?

Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
Upstart job, you may also use the stop(8) and then start(8) utilities,
e.g. stop module-init-tools ; start module-init-tools. The restart(8) utility is also available.
module-init-tools stop/waiting

What do I do now?

What do I do now, after inputting service module-init-tools restart ?

service module-init-tools restart
It did not finish getting install. What do I do ?

Jenni added

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http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-l...s-information/ this page will help you set up and use lm_sensors

if there is no package in the repositories you can get the source tar.bz2 file here: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Download

Another option is to use gkrellm , a system monitor which, if memory serves, also provides some temperature data, this should be in the repositories so

Code:

sudo apt-get install gkrellm

should handle that for you, if not, you can look here for some places to download it directly:
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/...m/gkrellm.html

I mention Jenni

Jenni suggests sudo apt-get install gkrellm

Input
Code:

o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ sudo apt-get install gkrellm

Output
Code:

o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[sudo] password for o:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
gkrellm is already the newest version.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
unity-asset-pool elinks-data libglib2.0-bin libseed0 gir1.2-json-glib-1.0
gir1.2-clutter-1.0 epiphany-browser-data gir1.2-soup-2.4 liblualib50
libboost-serialization1.42.0 geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gnome-js-common
libmagick++3 indicator-datetime libcheese-gtk18 wine1.0-gecko libunity-misc0
yelp-xsl liblua50
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$

After installing gkrellm from the terminal (above), how do I find it or use it ?

Jenni replied with the obvious

You should be able to run it from a terminal just by typing gkrellm, then right-click on the top of the window, should bring up the configuration menu (or click onto the window to bring it to focus then hit F1) and you can add the temp. monitors and such from that menu. under Builtin > Sensors > temperature.

Oatmeal troubleshooting some more

Gkrellm opened
Builtin > Sensors > Temperature

I checked on some boxes so that it would monitor temperatures inside of my laptop. I don't think I had to exactly press the key F1, but however that it happened, I was able to find it.

on gkrellm

it says there are two users

but i am the only user on this computer right now and ever

Jenni replied

Some processes on your system are run as root. if you use top you will see that 'root' and your username both appear under the user column.

Is it too hot in here?

My two processors are at 66 and 67 C degrees (temperature) right now.

I am predicting that my laptop will still shut off again any time now, without warning.

But is 66 or 67 too hot?

My laptop is a dual core: so it has two processors (CPU) which are at 66 and 67 C.
Sometimes it goes down to 63.

Jenni replied

No, ~66C shouldn't be an issue, My laptop has been running at around 69C all night and most of the day. if it gets to 99-100C+ it will probably shut off from temp. but 60's and 70's are usually fine.

Computer talk or weather talk lol

When my 66 Celsius degrees laptop randomly shuts off (improperly), then I am now assuming (since it isn't overheating at 99c or whatever) it is not shutting off due to temperature issues, right ?

So what could be my problem now, if it is not a laptop temperatures issue ?

Oh.
Just went up to 73C & 77C for a second.
Now at 70C and 71C right now.
Oh, now back down to 68C and 69C.

Jenni replied

Huh.

Well, can you give any information as to what you are/were doing when the shutdowns happen, then?

It really sounds like a hardware issue if it just stops itself randomly. You checked the AC adaptor, battery, etc. right?
Maybe an issue with the motherboard or hdd, but normally that would just leave you with a system that shuts down or hangs when you try to do certain things, or that just wont boot in the first place, I think.

Also, I'm not sure you can rule out temp. entirely just yet - keep an eye on it when the next shutdown actually occurs.

Without being able to take it apart and poke around inside it I'm not sure what the issue is.

Talking about crashes

2011-10-18 - Tuesday - 04:21 AM

The laptop crashed again around 60 seconds or so after I last checked laptop's temperature. It was at around 70C.

Laptop has crashed under different circumstances. It has crashed when I was doing nothing. It has crashed when I had Firefox opened.

It has crashed when I had a bunch of Firefox windows opened.

It has crashed when I had nothing opened, a few programs running, and when I had a bunch of programs running.

It could be a hardware issue.

I doubt that it is overheating.

Should I call my issue a crash ? Is that a good word to use ? That it just turns off all of a sudden ?

It is not turning off when I do certain things ? Because it really is pretty random.

It will be pretty random until I can narrow down the search.

Secret Code wrote

My laptop routinely runs at 60°C to 64°C and peaks at 75°C+, so I don't think you are regularly hitting high temperatures.

(edit after your last post ... probably not a thermal shutdown) But it's potentially the cause of your shutdowns (which do sound very much like thermal shutdowns) - if the fans are not kicking in properly a heavy load could very quickly raise the temperature. You might want to try the cpuburn package (in the repositories), but I haven't used it much myself ... not for the faint-hearted. There are various other things which can put a high load on your CPU to test it ... try running tar on a large directory, perhaps.

I don't know if bad RAM could cause this but it would be a good idea to run memtest (from the GRUB screen after booting up) for a good while (hours).

It happens within a couple of seconds, you said. But how much of a stop is it? Does the main power light go off? That would suggest a BIOS (thermal or other) shutdown which I wouldn't quite call a crash.

If any lights stay on, is the NumLock light flashing? That would indicate a Linux kernel panic - a software (including hardware drivers) issue.

eta: I'm thinking a memtest is definitely a good idea.

Jenni added

Huh.. I have no idea then. I can't think of anything really, someone else here at lq might be able to help more.

May be best to take it to be repaired, or have someone nearby take a closer look at it for you, if you're not comfortable enough (or familiar enough) with the hardware to take it apart yourself.

More details added here

1:56am PST apx. it last crashed in the usual fashion of first an instantaneous black screen for about two seconds followed with the laptop turning off. It stays off for about ten seconds and then it turns back on and reboots with no problem.

1. Blank black screen. The screen turns off for about two seconds. While this is happening, there are no blinking lights. My laptop has a green power light, a blue internet or network connections light, an orange light if the sound is on mute. There are two other green lights, too, for the hard drive or caching or for a light that blinks when a bunch of programs are running, or when the hard drive speeds up, when it is busy doing a bunch of things.

2. it turns off right after that in a second. It stays off for ten or so seconds. Totally off. Except the orange mute light sometimes stays on even after the laptop lights goes off and the laptop is totally off for ten or less seconds. But no light blinking.

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It happens within a couple of seconds?
Less than ten seconds: first black screen for some seconds: then laptop goes off for some seconds (except that the orange mute light stays on I think). Then it turns back on and reboots.

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But how much of a stop is it?
Total stop.
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That would suggest a BIOS (thermal or other) shutdown which I wouldn't quite call a crash.
Could it be a BIOS issue ? Or thermal or what ?
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Does the main power light go off?
Main power light turns off too. All the lights turn off, except maybe the orange mute light usually I think. But no blinking lights ever.
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If any lights stay on, is the NumLock light flashing? That would indicate a Linux kernel panic - a software (including hardware drivers) issue.
I am guessing this might be a Linux kernal panic maybe because the orange mute (for the audio sound speakers/headphones) light stays on sometimes if I already had it on mute when the laptop was on before the laptop crashed (or turned off).

The mute light isn't the numlock light & it doesn't blink. So I don't know.

The screen goes blank for some seconds
Then laptop turns off for some seconds (all lights except maybe the mute light goes off): it goes silent & off
Then it turns back on

Secret Code replied

I'd suggest running memtest.

If that doesn't show anything, do you have another partition in which you could make a clean install of another OS e.g. Ubuntu 10.04 LTS?

Both these things obviously take a bit of time ...

Memory test?

How do you run a memory test? I restart, and during boot, press like F8 or something ?

Because my laptop is connected to an external monitor (because my laptop's monitor has broke some months ago when I must have slept on my laptop), I cannot see anything on the external monitor until it finishes booting up.

After my laptop last crashed some minutes or less ago, while it was booting back up, I ran into the memory test because it is one of the options below picking the current Ubuntu 11.04 operating systems and a couple modification versions and maybe even a safe mode option.

I can see some of the one side of the laptop's monitor, so I was able to see the memory test option and picked it and the memory test started.

But then I stopped the test and restarted because I cannot see enough of the laptop's screen to see what the results would be.

Secret Code wrote
Yes, it's the memtest86+ option on the GRUB screen when you boot up. But if your laptop screen is not working it's going to be difficult!

How old is the laptop? What do you think about getting a new one? If you slept on it maybe the fan housing was damaged as well as the screen.

May of 2011

I bought the laptop May 2011 from Free Geek (http://FreeGeek.org). They sell, get, donate, make use-computers, laptops, parts, things.

End of August 2011, I had a bunch of video editing programs open and the laptop froze.

After forcing the laptop off, when I turned it back on, all of my data was gone.

My laptop was running Ubuntu 11.10 but it suddenly was back to 11.04. It downgraded. It has new partitions. New directories. It is like a new laptop. I lost around like 80 GBs if mostly videos.

I mostly want to find my lost data and restore it to my Ubuntu tower.

Secret Code returned

Most laptop hard drives are removable and can be put into a USB caddy of the right size (probably 2.5inch). That could be the best way to recover your data.

How motivated are you to fix the laptop itself? It sounds like getting another might be best. Maybe freegeek can look at refurbishing this one (again)?

Losing Data

I lost 80 GBs of projects I was working on: videos, documents, drawings, pictures, music, audio files, games, programs.

How much does a USB caddy cost? Can you give me a link to one ?

Secret Code Closing Remarks

2011-10-19 - Wednesday - 05:39 PM - Forum Post #42

Not expensive, I think. Never bought one myself, but perhaps someone else can advise. You might want to post which country/region you are in.

JoeyArnold, ignore this post - won't help you at the moment.

Everyone else, remember to back up your data! I hate situations where people have lost valuable data and have neglected backups. (Especially when it's happened to me!)

Daddy Dinner

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LOL yeah so my daddy just cooked us French fries, fish sticks, pineapples, grape (not rape) juice, all mixed together (not actually mixed up together, but you know that's funny) and dished up in a thing called love.

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